1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 You bet. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Excuse me. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Flying saucer's uncensored. We call this. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,000 We have a little bit of open issue too. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,000 For air. 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,000 And if it gets too stuffy back there, it might try raising one of those. 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,000 But I know it's up to you people. 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,000 You'd like to remove your jacket. 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Flying saucer's uncensored is what we're calling this talk. 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:36,000 And we've put it together because, largely because of the flat. 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,000 Flying saucer flat, as we called it back in August of this year. 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:47,000 And these come periodically to arouse people's interest. 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:54,000 This is the main reason. This is what we were told back in 1946 in Borderland Sciences Research. 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:03,000 That it was time for our man to wake up to a little more of the hidden reality behind appearances. 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Like, flying saucer's is one way of doing it. 16 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Someone was mentioning here, over here, talking about Alice Bailey and her work. 17 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:17,000 One of the great, we call it teachers here in the United States. 18 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,000 An English woman by birth. 19 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Who, whose master teachers are Hindus. 20 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Or Indians. 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:33,000 And from the interplanes, you get this kind of mixture of racial types, 22 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:39,000 but all teaching the same truth, or some aspects of treatment. 23 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:44,000 And one of the interesting things that Alice Bailey's teacher wrote back in the 1940s, 24 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:50,000 which was writing, Treat us Uncosm of Fire, 25 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:59,000 was that, in our universe, in the larger universe, when we say the mega-universe, 26 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,000 I think of our universe as being our own solar system. 27 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:09,000 But in the galaxy, the Milky Way galaxy, in which our solar system is apart, 28 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:14,000 there are older evolutionary systems in ours. 29 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:20,000 And this is being recognized by science, or even talking about the percentage chance 30 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,000 of visitors from these older systems coming here to the Earth. 31 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:31,000 And I think in the current true magazine, Dr. Carl Sagan, the Harvard Observatory, 32 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:36,000 talking about that, and that there might be another visitation within this century. 33 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Where are these people coming from? 34 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,000 And what is their purpose? 35 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,000 Well, some of them, their purpose is good. 36 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:50,000 They're men of good will, shall we say, and they would be glad to help us 37 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,000 if we could accept their help. 38 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,000 But there may be others also that are evil. 39 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000 And in this Alice Bailey book, I think it's a treatise on the cosmic fire, 40 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000 which is a tremendous thing, perhaps over a thousand pages of material. 41 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:12,000 The Master Decay does refer to two constellations which have universes like ours, 42 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,000 which are decaying. 43 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000 They're burnt out. 44 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:25,000 But in these systems, they have beings who are indelible to have Master's space travel. 45 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,000 But they are not good, as we would call it. 46 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:36,000 And they're actually looking for a new planet on which to take up their boldness. 47 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:44,000 And because of their comparative superiority in science, they could dominate us, I suppose. 48 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:49,000 But from our point of view, they would be troublemakers. 49 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:55,000 I don't recall the constellation that Master Decay named, maybe some of you know. 50 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,000 I'm not sure whether or not one of them was Orion. 51 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 But Orion is named in the Bible. 52 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,000 I think his symbol is the hunter in the heavens. 53 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:08,000 And this could be one of the places from which some of these visitors are coming. 54 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:14,000 Looking us over as a posthumous spot where they could break our people and settle down. 55 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,000 And perhaps make slaves out of us. 56 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Well, of course, the implication in the Master Decay's material, and our own source of material, 57 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,000 is that we do have races which are guarding us. 58 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,000 We are, you might say, in the kindergarten of evolution. 59 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Maybe we're just ready to graduate from one grade to another. 60 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:42,000 And the difference between the grades is the difference between the ability to travel in space 61 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000 or being confined to a planet. 62 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,000 And this is what we're doing now. We're breaking out of our confinement. 63 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:57,000 So this is a very, very critical time in the period of mankind. 64 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,000 One of the things which is so absolutely necessary through this breakout 65 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,000 is the ability to develop and handle more power. 66 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:10,000 And one of these obvious sources of power is atomic energy. 67 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:16,000 But as you know, what is so critical right now in the Earth's society 68 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,000 is whether or not we'll use this atomic power in an all-out war to destroy ourselves. 69 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Or can we? 70 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Get along well enough to turn our technology to more constructive lines 71 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,000 and actually learn how to travel in space. 72 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:39,000 This is a testing time, and I don't know really whether we can say we're going to pass the test or not. 73 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,000 Perhaps the situation is still in the balance. 74 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,000 But this is what we're involved in. 75 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:56,000 And part of this great problem is to get people to adjust their consciousness, their understanding 76 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,000 to the reality of these visitors. 77 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:05,000 And to be willing to accept the very humbling knowledge or information 78 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:10,000 that we are not alone in the universe and that we are not tops. 79 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,000 We're pretty far down on the evolutionary scale. 80 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,000 And I think this is the real block, especially on the part of people in authority 81 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:26,000 and those who have it, with great pride established themselves in the professional fields. 82 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:32,000 It's a problem of adjusting their consciousness through the fact of the superiority of the visitors. 83 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Now, I'm not saying morally superior, but technically superior. 84 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:43,000 Because obviously they have mastered space travel and we're just beginning to find out how to do it. 85 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:50,000 So there must be hundreds or even thousands of years ahead of us in evolution. 86 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:55,000 Now, my personal feeling is I think it's time that our government changes its attitude 87 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:01,000 on the information it has in hand and begun to release it in an intelligent way 88 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:06,000 to the people of the United States. I think we have a right to it. 89 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:14,000 Perhaps what is holding up a change in the silence policy is that we haven't demanded this information 90 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:22,000 as voters and taxpayers after all who sets policy in the United States. 91 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,000 Presumably the voters. 92 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,000 So this is one of the things that I'm proposing on this trip. 93 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:36,000 It just came to me as an idea just a few weeks ago. 94 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:46,000 Suppose we flying saucer believers bombarded the presidential candidates in the 1968 campaign 95 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,000 with a question which would go like this. 96 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:57,000 If you do get into the White House and if there is a public landing of visitors from outer space 97 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,000 in their spaceships at Washington International Airport, 98 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:06,000 would you as president go out and welcome these teams as you would welcome ambassadors 99 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:11,000 from other nations on the surface of the earth? 100 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,000 As I see it, where have we got to lose it? 101 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Why don't we put this question up to the candidates that are going into the White House? 102 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,000 We might even get one candidate to take a stand on it. 103 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:32,000 And I think as a result of that, once that stand is taken of even admitting the possibility of the reality of flying saucers 104 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:39,000 or the visitors and pilots, then we might see a change in the silence policy of flying saucers. 105 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:46,000 We are going to have to initiate it because the presidents are not initiating it. 106 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:51,000 When Eisenhower was asked about flying saucers back in 54 or whenever it was, 107 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,000 he said, well, he implied that we are looking to the Air Force for the answers on this, 108 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,000 but the Air Force doesn't set policy in the United States. 109 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:06,000 The Air Force is just carrying out the orders of somebody who is in the civilian level in the government 110 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:13,000 who says, let us suppress this information because it's too dangerous to let out. 111 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,000 It's dangerous to whom? 112 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:22,000 Dangerous to some vested interest in our society who is afraid to lose a few billion dollars? 113 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:27,000 I think that's the real reason for the silence policy. 114 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:33,000 And if that policy is going to be changed, we are the ones who are going to have to change it. 115 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:39,000 And as long as we sit on our hands and wait for authorities to move, they won't move. 116 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Because they haven't moved since 1947, because the saucers have been present in our skies since then in an important way. 117 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:58,000 18 years and still no voice of authority in Washington or anywhere else standing up and saying, 118 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,000 this planet is under observation. 119 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,000 We are not alone in the universe. 120 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:14,000 And yet we know beyond any shadow of it now that tangible proof is in the hands of our authorities. 121 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:22,000 I'm going to show you some flying saucer pictures here tonight, which have been taken by amateurs. 122 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:29,000 And if we have evidence this good, what about the evidence the Air Force has in its files 123 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:38,000 where it has men on duty 24 hours a day all over the Earth with the best scientific equipment? 124 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:44,000 So when an Air Force release says we have no physical evidence of their reality, this is a lie. 125 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:50,000 A bold-faced lie because it just is not true. 126 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Now I'll give you an example of it right here. 127 00:10:53,000 --> 00:11:05,000 On December 16, 1954, a torpedo-shaped spaceship bigger than the B-29 bomber fuselage, no wings, 128 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:14,000 appeared over Apple Valley Inn on the high desert, Victorville, California, about 150 miles from Los Angeles, 129 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:22,000 and only four miles away from George Air Force Base, one of the jet training bases of the United States Air Force. 130 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:32,000 This flying saucer appeared at 24,000 feet, about 24,000 feet above Apple Valley Inn, about 6 o'clock on the night of December 16. 131 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Now down on the ground, the sun had set, but up at that altitude it was still shining, 132 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:46,000 and this was shining on this torpedo-shaped gleaming spaceship, which was stationary in the sky. 133 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:52,000 We didn't have any equipment then, and I don't believe we'd have anything today, which could hover at that long at 24,000 feet. 134 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:57,000 I don't believe our helicopters would go that high. 135 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,000 And there were 50 guests there at the Apple Valley Inn. 136 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,000 They all saw it. 137 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:11,000 Partie Goodman, who gave this excellent report, a former Air Force pilot himself in World War II, a pilot of the B-29 bombers, 138 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:19,000 a trained observer, watched this thing through binoculars, and you could see a row of coral portals along the side. 139 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:24,000 Finally the sun went down, and darkness came on, even at those altitudes, 140 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:31,000 and this thing didn't disappear in the darkness because it began to glow red, and it stayed there glowing that way all night long. 141 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:38,000 And it was still there until noon the next day, 18 hours, this UFO, hovered in the sky there, 142 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:45,000 motionless only four miles from this George Air Force base in the above Apple Valley Inn. 143 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Goodman said that he could see the contrails of jet planes flying around it, even 10,000 feet higher. 144 00:12:52,000 --> 00:13:00,000 They had at the Air Force had ample time to take thousands of feet of motion pictures of this thing that they wanted to. 145 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:08,000 And the citizens, the civilians, are there at the Apple Valley Inn called George Air Force Base to ask about this, 146 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:17,000 going to authority for answers, and the people at the Air Force Base wouldn't even admit that the UFO was there. 147 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,000 They couldn't. Their regulations forbid it. 148 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:29,000 Joint Army Navy Air Force Publication 200-2 says specifically that if the object is a UFO, 149 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:37,000 you should, if you can't, if you can't explain it as a natural object or some natural phenomenon, I don't say anything. 150 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:43,000 That has been in effect for years and it's still in effect. Who is going to change it? 151 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:53,000 If anybody is, we are, we're going to have to change it. That's for sure. 152 00:13:53,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Part of them went back to Los Angeles, called Paul Coates, who had his TV interview program at the time, 153 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,000 called him about the sighting. 154 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:08,000 Coates was kept to go, but he got excited enough to walk to Apple Valley Inn and interview some of the guests who were still there 155 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,000 who had seen it, also the manager and the cook. 156 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:19,000 And he found a couple of sergeants from the Air Force Base who were willing to admit that there had been this UFO up in the sky. 157 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:29,000 They went back to Los Angeles and went over his notes, called Apple Valley Inn and wanted to talk to the two Air Force sergeants again, 158 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:34,000 found that they'd suddenly gone back to the base. They were in Communicado. 159 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:45,000 But he did, Coates did confirm Goodman's story by talking to enough other people who had seen the UFO to know that it was a fact. 160 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Now, years earlier, 1948, Air Force pilots were willing to talk about sightings. 161 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,000 Policy hadn't become so set then. 162 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Here's one that I cut out of the whole Louis-Star Bulletin because I was living in whole Louis at the time. 163 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:09,000 But this report was in the United Press from Mitchell Field on Long Island, New York. 164 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Two Air Force jet pilots reported today, this was September 11, 1948, 165 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:22,000 they chased a mysterious, round-flying object driving at a speed they estimated at 900 miles an hour or 30 miles and couldn't catch it. 166 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:28,000 No Air Force pilot today would even admit that this had happened to him. But it is happening. 167 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,000 It's still going on. 168 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:36,000 Weber Rogers and Columbia P.A. told Mitchell Field authorities he had captured Edward Bowler at Silver Delaware, 169 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:43,000 sighted the object yesterday over Sandy Hook, New Jersey while they were on a routine training flight in the T-33 jet. 170 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,000 I don't know if it was a flying saucer, but it sure was something I've never seen before. 171 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,000 We couldn't call it an F-86 saver jet. 172 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,000 He said it was white or silver-colored, it was about the size of a fighter plane. 173 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:02,000 They were flying along at 450 miles an hour, 20,000 feet. 174 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:09,000 So then of course there's this famous admission by Commander Robert McLaughlin of the United States Navy 175 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,000 in that story of True Magazine, which was published in 1950. 176 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:18,000 And in 1949 he had tracked flying saucers with a field of light at White Sands Proving Ground. 177 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:24,000 They're in New Mexico, tracking our earliest missiles and where they're going. 178 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:32,000 His famous statement, I am convinced that they are spaceships from another planet operated by animate, intelligent beings. 179 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:39,000 And I'm quite sure from my own observation experience that this is still true, and I believe you would say the same thing. 180 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:45,000 But there hasn't been any change in the flying saucer phenomenon since that time, 181 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,000 except that there's perhaps an increase in sighting. 182 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,000 This August 3rd flap is all over the world, apparently. 183 00:16:52,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Simultaneous sightings and cities in the United States, Europe, South America, Honolulu. 184 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Here's one more from out of the dim and distant past. 185 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:09,000 This was published in the Victoria, B.C. Daily Times, July 24th, 1948. 186 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Huge, wingless, two-deck plane proves a mystery. 187 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:19,000 And two Eastern airline pilots were on a flight between Montgomery, Alabama and Atlanta, Georgia, 188 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,000 and the child's and widowed, flying along at 5,000 feet. 189 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:31,000 And here this huge torpedo-shaped spaceship came flying along at the same altitude, just a mile or two away, blazing with light. 190 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,000 No wings. 191 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:42,000 I'll show you a slide copy of Child's drawing of what it looked like, a needle-mose torpedo-shaped spaceship with a huge jet. 192 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Exhaust coming out the back of it. 193 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Nothing particularly new, but here you have two reliable observers, of course, reporting what they saw. 194 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,000 And meagles to say it, they weren't grounded when they got to Atlanta and told their story. 195 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:03,000 They were closely questioned. 196 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:09,000 How did all this...how did we get our information on saucers? 197 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,000 We got them through a medium in San Diego. 198 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Mead Lane, the founder of our organization, had a young man named Mark Prober come to him who was having unusual psychic experiences. 199 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:26,000 He'd go into trance and then he would speak in foreign tongues, Oriental and European. 200 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,000 And he wanted to know what was happening to him. 201 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000 This is normal, I guess. 202 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,000 Anyone should be curious. 203 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:38,000 No one would tell him. They heard of Mead Lane, who was a student of the cult sciences and metaphysics. 204 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:44,000 He came up to Mead's home in San Diego and told me what was happening to him. 205 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,000 Then he went on into trance there and the phenomenon reoccurred. 206 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,000 And he realized that this looked like a very exceptional form of mediumship. 207 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:58,000 This was in about August 1946. 208 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,000 And a couple of months later, this was no coincidence. 209 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,000 I don't think. 210 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:09,000 A huge black torpedo-shaped spaceship appeared over San Diego on the night of October 9th, 1946. 211 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,000 We didn't call them flying saucers then. 212 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:22,000 People there in San Diego who saw it thought it might have been a Navy dirigible operating in the area without motors and without lights. 213 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:32,000 The reason so many people saw it that night, there were many amateur astronomers out for the Jacobey v. Zinner Comet shower of meteorites looking up into the skies. 214 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:41,000 We needed to put an ad in the San Diego paper a day later wanting to contact with anyone who saw this and he got 40 replies and they were all positive. 215 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:47,000 They didn't agree in their analysis of what they saw, but they saw something. 216 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:53,000 So he could see that in fact Mark Roberts was one of the witnesses, the medium. 217 00:19:53,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Well, we need to ask to have the next seance session through Mark Roberts and talk about the controls. 218 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,000 This is what they said. This was a visitor from outer space. 219 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:16,000 You are under observation and you probably see more of these things because you are ready for this kind of information now. 220 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,000 I think there are some people here in the United States who wouldn't agree with that. 221 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:25,000 Whether we're ready or not, they're here and they're apparently in our sky, is that for sure? 222 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:31,000 I'd like to give you the verbatim remarks of one of the controls, Charles Lindgren. 223 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:41,000 This was in July 1947, a year after we got our, almost a year after we got our what we call our 4G interpretation of the spaceships. 224 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:50,000 And about a month after Ken Arnold saw the nine saucers flying in front of Montreux, over here, on June 24, 1947. 225 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:55,000 Lindgren said, in the course of time, you'll find that these flying saucers will tell their own story. 226 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,000 You'll know from your reading and studying that there have been many such phenomena. 227 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:05,000 Just now, you're having them in large numbers and over a wide region because the world is in the sense ready for them. 228 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,000 All you need now is to be pushed a little bit and you'll wake up. 229 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:15,000 Well, I don't believe that the majority of Americans really are awake yet to this. 230 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:22,000 Perhaps if our government had set out with a positive program of education in 1947, we would be awakened. 231 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,000 But we're still waiting for the voice of authority. 232 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:32,000 But what authority is going to give us the psychic interpretation of the saucers? 233 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,000 This is about what it comes down to. 234 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:43,000 Lindgren said, you're supposed for a moment that any actual material things such as you know could rip and tear across the sky without running up. 235 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:50,000 I don't mean to say that these are not material, but the material is such it can stand the heat and the speed. 236 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:55,000 And then someone said, well, does this construction material exist in our physical plane as an alloy? 237 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:02,000 And Lindgren said yes, kind of an alloy. There may be more of these flying saucers and there will be various kinds. 238 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:12,000 But the flying saucers come from a condition or state from which we would call the etheric. 239 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:19,000 And this is a sort of left-handed scientific term that came out in the 19th century. 240 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:27,000 I think Sir Oliver Lodge was one of the ones who was responsible for it because he had also heard about the etheric levels through mediumship. 241 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:36,000 And all pervasive fluid medium, which is invisible to normal sight and touch, is quite real. 242 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:44,000 And then someone said, is there any relation between flying saucers and the things which have fallen to earth? 243 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:50,000 Lindgren said, there are various ways of running things by remote control other than you know of. 244 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,000 There are energies yet unknown to science. 245 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,000 There are etheric dwellers who have not known physical life. 246 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:04,000 I am referring to your flying saucers. They come out of that plane of existence. 247 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,000 A materialization and a dematerialization. 248 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,000 Someone said, do the discs carry a crew? 249 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:19,000 Well, the large ones, yes, the small ones, no. These are controlled from the craft that carry a crew. 250 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:26,000 Some of these remote-controlled discs break away from control and then become limp like paper and vanish. 251 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,000 Well, this was fortunate for us. 252 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,000 There is a lot of hardware operating up there. 253 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,000 If it came down solid, it might crash into somebody or something and it will destroy it. 254 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,000 It was very thoughtful of them to cause their ships to dematerialize. 255 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,000 But of course this also leaves no evidence of their presence, doesn't it? 256 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,000 And this is one of the points some scientists have made. 257 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:55,000 That if they are flying through our skies, some of their equipment is bound to fail just as ours fails and it would come down. 258 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,000 Yes, it would if it weren't made of negative matter. 259 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:11,000 I suppose all the controls do up above there is collapse the magnetic field which holds the physical matter together 260 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,000 and it just turns to dust and falls to earth undetected. 261 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,000 And this has happened many times. 262 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:28,000 There was this blazing torpedo-shaped object which flew in from the ocean across the South Island of New Zealand back in 1955 at tremendous speed. 263 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,000 And thousands of people saw it because it was only 100 or 200 feet above the ground. 264 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,000 It went on inland toward Inch Bonnie. 265 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,000 And just before it ran into the mountain range there, it exploded with a roar which was heard for 100 miles. 266 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,000 And there was this great cloud of dust that spoke there in the sky. 267 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,000 If they hadn't seen it, they certainly heard it. 268 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:55,000 And the authorities went to the area where this thing where the debris should have fallen toward and they didn't find nothing. 269 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,000 That's kind of tough, isn't it? 270 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,000 And then there is the experience of the Philadelphia policemen. 271 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:12,000 On the night of October 1st, 1951, non-patrol in the super-combat city, the city of Brother Love, 272 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:19,000 and here was this glowing object floating gently down through the twilight sky, 273 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,000 came to the worth of the vacant lot, fairly close to the street. 274 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:30,000 So the patrolman parked their patrol car and got out and radioed back to headquarters that they had this UFO under observation 275 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,000 and would stay there until they saw what happened or whatever. 276 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:46,000 And it was about 4 feet high, 6 feet across, just a massive material, and it was glowing faintly as ectoplasm was in the sails through under certain conditions. 277 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,000 Walked over to it, shined their flashlights on it, no sound, no nothing. 278 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,000 Finally, patrolman Collins put his hand out, finger and touched this massive stuff, 279 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,000 and his finger went into it, and this is over jelly. 280 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,000 I don't know whether it had a feeling of wetness or not. 281 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:12,000 But they didn't have to wait long there, but in 20 minutes this massive material had just gradually shrunk away on the ground until it disappeared. 282 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:19,000 Now isn't that a nice piece of data for a technician to puzzle over? 283 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Well, you're going to make it back. 284 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,000 And here you have the factual report of four policemen each confirming the other story. 285 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,000 This is what we saw. 286 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,000 But this kind of backs up what Lincoln said in 1947 and four years earlier. 287 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:42,000 The throes that get out of control, I suppose the saucer people consider that they're what we would say expendable. 288 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,000 They don't bother to bring them back, they just collapse the field and let it go on disintegrate. 289 00:26:53,000 --> 00:27:00,000 And someone said then about this becoming limp like paper and vanishing, do they return to the etheric? 290 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,000 He said, yeah. 291 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,000 While they don't return to another rate of vibration, the energy goes back to its primal state. 292 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,000 Remote control discs lose their identity. 293 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,000 This explains what happens with those saucers that appear to land but cannot be found. 294 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000 The force and the structure disintegrate. 295 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,000 And someone said, well, suppose they have a crew aboard, what happens to the crew? 296 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:30,000 Well, if there are beings in a discourse disintegrate, they simply go back to the etheric world and would stay emerged. 297 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,000 And we do something like this too. 298 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:39,000 When we die, we come from the astral plane and we return to it and allow our bodies to disintegrate too. 299 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,000 But because we don't know this very well, we fear death. 300 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,000 And it's something terrible. 301 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Well, actually, it may be a blessing, man. 302 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:55,000 You thankfully go back, get out of the rat race here or the insane asylum. 303 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,000 We're all committed to this institution. 304 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,000 And someone said, well, are we going to get the truth from our authorities? 305 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,000 No. 306 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,000 The settling group will get no information from your higher-ups. 307 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,000 The force seems to have been a lot in the siding lately. 308 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000 Have the spaceships been withdrawn from the earth? 309 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000 No, they are not being withdrawn. 310 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,000 They are just being explained away. 311 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:26,000 However, the flying saucers will carry on until explanations run out and people become curious again. 312 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,000 And they have another flying saucer flap like we had in ours. 313 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,000 And someone said, well, I had been in the reports for several days. 314 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000 And Linkford said, well, I just shifted their field of operations. 315 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,000 They have to cover the earth, you know. 316 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:44,000 There's a reason for everything, and I believe one reason for the discourse is to show the people of the world that there are ways of traveling faster and eliminating friction. 317 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:53,000 The visitors may even allow one or two of these things to land so that they can be examined and experimented on. 318 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:59,000 And that way you will find out how to build such craft that will travel out into space 319 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,000 and maybe you can find a new planet on which to start a war. 320 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,000 And someone truly observable maybe will be forced to leave this one. 321 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,000 Oh, yes. 322 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,000 I believe man will abandon this planet but not for many years to come. 323 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,000 Nature is vast and man fits in as a part of it. 324 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,000 He may try to destroy himself, but he will be unsuccessful and that will make him unhappy. 325 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,000 Time will come and science knows that one of the human race hopes to survive, 326 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,000 it will have to survive on another planet. 327 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:40,000 Then someone said, well, do you recognize the presence of etheric planets or invisible planets? 328 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,000 He said, oh yes, there are etheric planets and there are gaseous planets that are just forming into solids. 329 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,000 New ones are made all the time. 330 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000 And he said, you know, I'm getting tired. 331 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,000 The trouble in my world is the same as in yours. 332 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,000 A great deal of talk and nothing really satisfactory. 333 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,000 You will find that condition in all worlds and in all states of consciousness. 334 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000 Someone said, what? Is there no heaven? 335 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,000 Limprit. 336 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,000 No, if there is, you wouldn't be happy there. 337 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:20,000 Well, outboard him there would be a state of inertia and must be unhappy in order to exist. 338 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,000 Anybody agree with that? 339 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:31,000 The moment he becomes perfectly happy, he becomes non-existent. 340 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,000 You're going to stay at perfect balance, which might be absolute, 341 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000 compared to absolute. 342 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,000 And then your consciousness would shift to another level. 343 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,000 Some time ago one of the other controls hinted that man was an awesome creature in many ways. 344 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,000 I could never begin to tell you how awesome he really is. 345 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:55,000 Horror upon horror is in him and beauty beyond conception also. 346 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000 Man's many-sidedness is appalling. 347 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,000 I want to add about the Flying Saucers. 348 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,000 We haven't given you any wrong information. 349 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,000 The predictions of that woman about the discs being of Russian origin are incorrect. 350 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:13,000 There is no new information about Saucers at present, but the Russian source is ridiculous. 351 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:21,000 I do know that the Flying Saucers come from the ethereal world, from the invisible and the returned to. 352 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,000 And the controls have insisted now for 18 years. 353 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,000 And that there is no physical travel really between the planets. 354 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000 This is necessary. 355 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:38,000 There's a conversion of energy in each space to what we might call pure thought. 356 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:44,000 And then a reconversion in the region of the planet you want to visit. 357 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,000 Come back down the scale of tangibility. 358 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,000 Dr. Hubertus Strughol was hinted something like this. 359 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:55,000 He's in the thick of the space race there at NASA headquarters in Houston. 360 00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:00,000 He was pictured with Dr. Berry during the last Gemini flight. 361 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,000 Strughol, I believe, is a German-American scientist. 362 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:11,000 And some years ago in a public lecture he said that it might be that we wouldn't have to take huge quantities of air and water 363 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:17,000 and food on the deep space voyages because there's no time involved in getting to Mars or Venus. 364 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:25,000 It'll be practically instantaneous once they leave the region of the Earth or once they've left it. 365 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:34,000 Well, what about with this other prediction of Glingford's there in 1947 that the visitors would allow some of their craft to land 366 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000 so our scientists could puzzle over them? 367 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:44,000 One such craft came down on the Spitzbergen Islands in the Arctic Ocean north of Norway, Russia. 368 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,000 July of 1952. 369 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:53,000 And planes of the Norwegian Air Force saw this thing in the sky and followed it down. 370 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,000 Christ there at Spitzbergen. 371 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,000 Apparently there was no crew, Lord. 372 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:06,000 The remains of this thing were taken to Narvik, Norway, and the Norwegian General Staff organized a board of invertebrate liquorice thing 373 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,000 and decided who and what and where it had been made. 374 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:20,000 Three years later on September 4th, 1955 in Oslo, Norway, Colonel Gernel Darnebile of the Norwegian General Staff made a public release on it. 375 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,000 Crashing of the Spitzbergen disc was highly important. 376 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,000 I'm confident that these remains from Spitzbergen proved to be great importance. 377 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:37,000 Sometime ago this understanding was caused by saying that the disc probably was of Choviet origin. 378 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,000 He said, I wish to stay in fact fatally, this is not so. 379 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,000 This has not been built in any country on earth. 380 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:50,000 The materials used in this construction are completely unknown to all the experts having participated in the investigation 381 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:58,000 and at any rate only to be obtained after physical and chemical processes still unknown to us. 382 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:06,000 And anyone on to say that this information will be shared with British and United States governments because it was so highly important. 383 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:14,000 So, and nothing else, I suppose that our government has the official report of the Norwegian Air Force Board of Infantry on this thing. 384 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,000 Probably pictures, we might have even sent an observer over there to see this. 385 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000 As far as I know, the Norwegian government still has it. 386 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,000 So, no reason why not. 387 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:34,000 But there's another interesting interview in the same news item with Lieutenant Jelensson of the Norwegian Air Force 388 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:44,000 who said, I think the Arctic is serving as a base for the unknowns, especially during snowstorms when we are being forced back to our bases by unpleasant weather. 389 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,000 In my opinion, the flying discs take this opportunity to land. 390 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,000 Shortly after such adverse weather conditions, I have seen them land and take off on three separate occasions. 391 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:05,000 And by the way, in our slides you'll see the photograph of two glowing discs flying over Norway in 1954, taken by Norwegian photographers. 392 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,000 Part of this plane was up there to get photos of the eclipse in the sun that summer. 393 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:20,000 And more confirmation of Lingford statement that these ships would be allowed to land so our scientists could examine them. 394 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:34,000 In January of 1954, Frank Edwards, radio announcer on ABC said that he had had words from California that the Air Force had a captured flying saucer in its possession. 395 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:45,000 And then on April 16th, the director of our organization at that time, the founder of the also Mead Lane, received a letter from one of our associates. 396 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:56,000 He said, I have just returned from New York. New York dry lake is Edwards Air Force base there on the California desert. 397 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,000 The report is true. That is the report of captured or landed flying saucers. 398 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:11,000 I made the trip up to there, up there with F.A. of the Hearst Papers, E.M. of the Brookings Institute and Bishop M. of Los Angeles. 399 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:25,000 They were allowed to enter the restricted section at Edwards Air Force base after six hours of examining their credentials and swearing into secrecy and security laws and so on. 400 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,000 And I had the distinct feeling that the world had come to an end with fantastic realism. 401 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:43,000 For I have never seen so many human beings in the state of complete collapse and confusion as they realized that their own world had immediate or treasured ideas and so on. 402 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,000 He said he saw at least five flying saucers or space ships sitting on the runway. 403 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:55,000 And a host of scientists and people of other walks of life in the United States and elsewhere. 404 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,000 Economists, sociologists, congressmen and so on invited out there by the airport. 405 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,000 Sworn to secrecy and allowed on the field to see these things. 406 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,000 And apparently they were there for several months. 407 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:16,000 In fact, I have heard on this trip that one space ship at least is still locked up in a top secret hangar there at Edwards Air Force Base. 408 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:27,000 And the reaction of these authorities. 409 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:41,000 Our associates said in some instances I could not stifle a wave of pity that arose as I watched the pathetic bewilderment of brilliant brains struggling to make some sort of rational explanation which would enable them to retain their familiar theories and concepts. 410 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:49,000 And he said he thanked his own destiny that he had got lost in the metaphysical woods years early and found his way out. 411 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:59,000 So he had some had adjusted his consciousness to the idea of other worlds, other planes of consciousness and the possibility of materialization and dematerialization. 412 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,000 Which is what the scientists are going to have to come to. 413 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:15,000 Because when you conquer gravity, you conquer time, and if your control is right, you can disappear. It was like that. 414 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:24,000 And I hope most of you here saw the dramatization in movies of H.G. Wells' time machine. 415 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000 Because there it was portrayed very clearly. 416 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,000 Regardless of whether you could understand it or not, but H.G. Wells had it right. 417 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:41,000 The idea of speeding up the vibratory rate to where the material becomes crystalline. 418 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:48,000 Transmission, the light can come right through it. So you're seeing through it because you can see objects on the other side of where this thing was. 419 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,000 And this is what was done for the scientists there at Edward Jarrah Force Base. 420 00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:00,000 Time and time again the pilots of these things caused them to disappear while they were sitting on the runway. 421 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,000 And the scientists could see through them. This is what nearly caused them to crack up. 422 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:12,000 And I suppose they walked over there and then they could feel this crystalline structure just like you feel plate glass. 423 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,000 It's still solid, but it's translucent. 424 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,000 And then the pilots would cause the vibratory rate to go even higher on the scale of tangibility. 425 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000 And then the scientists could walk right across the runway. 426 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,000 And then they cleared the area and these things were caused to materialize again. 427 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,000 This was done many times. 428 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:41,000 So that there was no shadow of a doubt in the mind of our authorities that this could be done. 429 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,000 And this is what caused them, maybe some of them did crack up. 430 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,000 I wouldn't blame them. 431 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:56,000 I remember Dan Fry saying one of his lectures a few years ago and talked about arguing with one of our space-aid scientists in California. 432 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000 Who just couldn't believe that flying saucers. 433 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,000 So Dan said well, yeah, let's look at that. 434 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000 Dan said well, suppose a flying saucer landed on your lawn. 435 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000 The scientist said I still wouldn't believe it. 436 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,000 And you got into people like this because they can't change. 437 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,000 They don't want to change. They're satisfied with things or where they are. 438 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000 But the visitors aren't going to allow us to be satisfied. 439 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000 We've developed the atomic bomb. 440 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,000 So it's time that we develop the moral responsibility which goes along with it. 441 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,000 This associate also wrote, President Eisenhower, as you may know, was spirited over to Burak one night. 442 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,000 We're not the greatest, I guess, in gold. 443 00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:02,000 President Eisenhower was spirited over to Edwards Air Force Base from Palm Springs. 444 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,000 The President didn't have his vacation there at Palm Springs in March 1954. 445 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:15,000 And for four hours on a Saturday night he did disappear from Palm Springs and the press went crazy trying to find out where he was. 446 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,000 The Associated Press representative there actually put on the private wire in New York that Eisenhower had been assassinated. 447 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:31,000 And when the Air Force press officers or the press have found this out, they had to admit that the President had it and killed him, even though they couldn't see where he had gone. 448 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,000 But he was flown to Burak, though he didn't go out on the field. 449 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,000 They were afraid that he might be kidnapped, perhaps. 450 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,000 But he had no doubt about the reality of the visitors, I'm sure of that. 451 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:53,000 That is the associate that is my conviction that the President will ignore the terrific conflict between the various authorities and go directly to the people via radio and television. 452 00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:04,000 If the impasse continues much longer, what I could gather, an official statement to the country is being prepared for delivery about the middle of May. 453 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:12,000 The President could not resolve the conflict between the various authorities there as to what could be told to people. 454 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000 As you know very well, he said nothing. 455 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:26,000 That was April 16, 1954, when our director received this letter and the staggering information which he had scarcely believed himself. 456 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:35,000 So the next day he went over to Mark Fogart's apartment with the idea of the hope that he could talk to one of the inner circles through Mark. 457 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,000 Mark went into trance and Ramon Natali took over. 458 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,000 Italian scientist of the group who concerns himself with scientific subjects. 459 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:52,000 And me, to ask if he should publish this information and Natali advised many, said that it would come out through someone else than you. 460 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:59,000 But if you want to make a limited release to some of the hand-picked associates, that would be alright. 461 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:05,000 So I did get this personal bulletin in Honolulu about this landing which I couldn't believe either. 462 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,000 Because at that time I hadn't made up my own mind about the reality of the business. 463 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:26,000 Then associate Francis Oome asked Ramon, do you feel Ramon that Eisenhower is sincere in his attempt and what he might try to do and his pressure put on him or what? 464 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:33,000 And Natali replied, this man like all men of his kind in high government positions is the leader or a symbol of such in your country. 465 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,000 They are always under pressure, they cannot act alone. 466 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,000 A bag of even the shadows stands such individuals as Bernard Baruch and some of the high...